A discussion between myself and Hotherus, Pt. 1: the Reactosphere, Esotericism and Culture

Hotherus: I think you may be underestimating yourself and the potential of your channel to influence others. You’re right that discussion about Jews, blacks, et cetera, is already being done elsewhere and is at this point probably pointless anyway. But when it comes to things that actually matter; Evola, Tradition, et cetera, there isn’t a whole lot going on, on YouTube at least. Maybe it’s taking place somewhere else. Of course the things that really matter, are very complex and difficult to speak intelligently about, but… I don’t know, maybe it’s at least worth trying.

You started a YouTube channel for some purpose, whatever it was. If you feel you’ve accomplished that and there is nothing further to be said, then you’re right not to continue. However, I’m not convinced that’s the case.

When it comes to the matter of caste, all I can say is that in listening to your conversations, you had perceptions and insights that the others mostly lacked. Whether you and I or anyone else is genuinely of the warrior or priest caste, I don’t know if that matters anymore. We are the people living on the planet at this time. We are the ones who have at least some understanding of tradition, or the way things should be. We have no choice but the face the circumstances we find ourselves in, difficult as they may be. We each have to find our own way to ride the tiger. I don’t claim to know what that is specifically, but what I do know, is that it must be done intentionally, actively, and consistently.

Adam: In regard to underestimating myself; possibly. I don’t think I have an inferiority complex, but I do think the majority of people in these spheres approach these topics too boisterously and too aggressively; too “commonly,” to be a little demeaning. For example, nationalism is inherently inclusive and populist; it is an appeal to the masses instead of the elite. There is a plebeian element which rears its head rather fiercely in these circles, however, it’s to be expected as the internet allows everyone and his dog to have an opinion broadcast to thousands in just a few seconds. The very nature of the internet is inclusive and mass-orientated – for people like you and I trying to get ourselves across at all using it, it’s like joining PETA and bragging about “that delicious steak last night.”

On discussions; there are sites where it’s taking place; one the best is Gornahoor which I highly recommend. Other avenues and little corners are around, but again; this goes back to my first paragraph here: it’s difficult for exclusive thought to thrive in an inclusive space. As far as trying to show the path? I think, like in the mind of Siddhartha, guided by Brahma; it’s worth a shot in the off-chance that it is beneficial to someone.

I started my channel to “document my learning process,” but in hindsight, this is an aim which I can achieve without the channel; without the egotism. As for finding a new reason for this channel, like I’ve said; showing a path could be that. As for avoiding egotism and pettiness? I think it’ll essentially come as a result of approaching the channel with a certain intention; in a certain style. A detachment from my own self, but a focus on what myself will act as a conduit for: principles.

To speak of my thoughts; I think that’s due to my interest in history, culture and religion over science, economics and dialectic. Utilizing a kind of “soft” logic instead a “hard” logic. Hard logic, in this case, is simply an observation of material reality and the result of an inclusive rationalism which is pretty democratic in its essence: “these are the facts; this is reality; we all agree.” Soft logic, is a much more personal thing which operates, in my mind, utterly independent of the opinions of others and an obsession with material reality; and especially with a kind of open-mindedness void of prejudice or the presence of ego. This is where metaphysics operates; where spirituality operates. Take, for example, the hermetic maxim “as above, so below”. One interpretation of this (one of many) is that the physical realm (below) is basically a reflection of higher principles (above). Imagine water: on the hard, “material” level it is ice, but on the soft, “etheric” level is is vapour; it is, however, all the same thing. As above, so below is a description of how the universe, how reality, operates within and upon fractals, within fractals, et cetera. Below is the fractal within above, and yet – even within below itself – there are other “aboves” and other “belows.” Dualism within dualism.

All of this is, of course, a “style” of thinking, enabled by an acquiring of specific knowledge, that the vast majority of humans (especially now) will never even encounter. The hard style of logic, however, is the norm experienced by everyone born in the west. The soft style is reserved and accessible by and to only a few. Again: dualism: the dichotomy of exoteric/esoteric; hard/soft: as above, so below.

I fully agree with your last paragraph and you are absolutely correct. To relate this to my channel, though, this path ought to be made open to those with the ears to hear it. To connect dots in the same way the Kybalion describes (assuming you’ve read it – if not: do it!) I definitely know people who’re in between where we are and where the rest of the Reactosphere and such is, so perhaps they would render my exposition useful. An applicable, realistic and yet profound doctrine is what I see as missing from these spheres, and the lack of it is holding many people – who’re capable of understanding it – in a kind of internal as well as external stasis, going nowhere beyond “hey look at these stupid liberals!” or “hey aren’t black people just the worst?” or “the Jews are to blame! If we kill them all we’ll find ourselves in a hyperborean utopia! Hail Hitler!” suffice to say, it’s not just you and I who’re bored of all that nonsense.

On another, more trivial, note; I really seem to have “come a long way” intellectually since last August. I think this was enabled by my independence, and not acting for others but just following my nose. Doing what needed to be done, as far as I could tell.

Hotherus: Coming to the alt. right, if indeed I am truly part of the alt right, was a long process for me. I spent a long time in the alt. left, conspiracy theory, and alternative history realms, and my thinking is still very much influenced by at least elements of all of those things. Reading Counter Currents and listening to Jonathan Bowden “converted” me, but I still do not fully feel at home here for many of the reasons that you mentioned. There is a traditionalist sphere as well, but that is for the most part very attached to Christianity, which doesn’t necessarily bother me, except that it is often very dismissive of paganism, though unfortunately that is understandable. The pagan world is a disaster, including much of the right wing pagans, who try to blame everything on Christianity. At various times I have written online, but I have not been very active for quite a while. The only reason I even joined YouTube was to comment on Millennial Woes‘ channel. Although our perspectives are in some ways very different, there was a lot that I could relate to in what he said. I was going through a very difficult time when I came across his channel, and it was very helpful to me. Around Christmas of last year I asked him to do a video addressing several religious topics. I’m still hoping he’ll do it.

I have not yet read the Kybalion, though it is on my to-read list. I’ve recently started the book The Germanization of Early Medieval Christianity. The author displays a lack of understanding of the esoteric dimension, but it’s still fairly interesting. Of course I could read the Kybalion now as the internet does provide access to an enormous number of texts, I just hate reading .pdfs.

Tsar Alexander has talked a number of times about the importance of art in communicating ideas and values, and I think he’s quite right. There’s an interesting article on Counter Currents by James O’Meara talking about the place of Wagner in the alt. right. He made the amusing point that some feel that Wagner can be used against the left the same way it was used by the air cavalry against the Vietcong in Apocalypse Now, blasting them into submission. He suggested that we needed to move on beyond Wagner and embrace some other form of music, perhaps new age. And many commenters were in an uproar over what he said. Wagner is sacred to some. But there was a lot of truth in what he said. Classical music is basically dead, and 19th century romanticism is really a rather decadent and degraded style of music, which we should not return to even if we could.

This is not a minor issue. As the ancients recognized, the music of a people reflects their character. And ours is obviously quite ugly. Creating an entirely new system of composition will probably require the life’s work of an inspired genius, but recognizing the problem, that is the spiritual problem of our music, not just technical matters, may allow at least some more insightful and intuitive types to begin moving in new, healthy directions.

Adam: On the Kybalion, it is only over a hundred pages long; and it’s probably the most important text I’ve ever read as it joins a lot of dots, and introduces the preexisting foundation for much of what is essentially floating around the minds of clever, but rudderless guys. And I can empathize about not enjoying .pdfs, hence I order physical copies of books whenever I can; just yesterday I finally got a hardback of Evola’s Revolt Again the Modern World. I’m still waiting for a copy of Guénon’s The Crisis of the Modern World from my local bookstore, though.

  • Thesis: Tradition is the normal state for human spiritual well-being.
  • Hypothesis: The western world is in crisis due to its forgetting of tradition.
  • Antithesis: The proper response, then, is to revolt against the modern world.
  • Synthesis: Some few men will undertake the effort to restore tradition.

René Guénon’s The Crisis of the Modern World is the fundamental text that proves the hypothesis. Julius Evola’s Revolt Against the Modern World is the text of the antithesis. By understanding the thesis, hypothesis and antithesis, work can begin on the synthesis.

Hence I’d have preferred Crisis first, but never mind.

On art, it is context; intention, which ultimately matters – just look at Evola’s involvement in Dadá. One can use the modern conceptions and tools in a certain way; to turn them against themselves: to use the tools of the enemy against them – reverse-engineering, in a sense. To attempt to revitalize some sort of central traditional ethos that is present in the classical tradition, to me, seems ludicrous and unrealistic. Especially considering the classical tradition is not free of any degenerative elements and it is so out of the mainstream, like you said. What seems more approachable, again, to me; is to reverse-engineer the contemporary media and the contemporary culture; much in the way nobody tm does (fascinating guy, by the way – introduced me to the Kybalion.) As a musician myself, perhaps in the future any of my endeavours could follow that route. But again, it’s the intention, I think, which is important as things are presented in a certain style; as it could be with my YouTube channel, like I said.

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